Showing posts with label Letcher County. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Letcher County. Show all posts

Friday, January 31, 2014

Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates - My Granny

Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates - My Granny

      I do not have a picture of my grandmother before this, taken in 1930.  From 1904 when she was born until this photograph sitting in 1930, there is no pictorial reference to her life. She was 26 years old in the photo with her four sons and husband.  Left to right: Greeley, Tudy holding Herman, Grady, Andy, and Cack.


     
     The next picture jumps ahead to the mid-1940s  in a picture of her holding my mother, Molene.  I noted when I was young that my Granny tended to tilt her head a little when she was thinking.  We'd always have to tell Tudy to straighten up her head knowing she would do a head tilt for a picture -she didn't walk around like that -just did it for a picture or when she was thinking something over. She'd then laugh, get tickled and we'd have to pause. Oh, funny memories that makes.  Thanks, Granny.


     When my parents moved to Indiana in the 1960s, they had a telephone installed at my grandparents home.  Mom and Granny were able to keep in touch even though they were separated by many miles.  


     Every Christmas that I recall as a child, we went "home" -to my Granny and Grandpa Bates house.  This as taken Christmas 1964 at Granny's home in the holler of Mill Branch.  Christmas dinner was set on the table, and served after she fed her new granddaughter.  I don't have to close my eyes and I can easily recall a look my Granny would get when she would get to hold a new baby.  She understood how special life was and precious that she was holding a blessing.  I believe it was moments like that she was closest to God, being wholly aware of His miracle. 





     This picture is four generations of Johnson women.  Granny Bates, my Mom, me, and my daughter. No matter how stressed life would be or seem to be rushing past.  A few hours sitting with Granny on the sofa or on the porch and if only for a couple hours... the world would stand still and be calm and you just knew everything would be okay.  Things might be hard, real hard, but in the end it would be okay.
 

     My granny.  She's right.  Life is hard at times, real hard, but in the end it will be okay.




Friday, September 21, 2012

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb and Susanna “Susan” Stamper families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 11:32am.


Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb and Susanna “Susan” Stamper families
May 1994 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my paternal Halcomb family line as Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb married Susanna “Susan” Stamper.
They had son Douglas Irvin Halcomb who married Mary Emmer Holcomb.
Irv & Mary had son Allen Lester Halcomb, my father.

1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               87. Stamper, Ison age 52 b VA
                              Sarah age 52 b VA
                              John age 26 b KY
                              Sarah age 24 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 22 b KY
                              Sintha age 20 b KY
                              Elaxander age 18 b KY
                              Susanah age 16 b KY
                              Lemuel age 14 b KY
                              Wiley age 12 b KY
                              Mary age 10 b KY
                              James age 7 b KY

               396. Halcum, Henderson age 38 b KY
                              Matilda age 27 b KY
                              Mary age 13 b KY
                              Susanah age 11 b KY
                              Martha age 8 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 5 b KY
                              Solomon age 3 b KY
                              Joseph age 9/12 b KY

               410. Halcum, Samuel age 30 b KY
                              Louisa age 30 b KY
                              Sarah age 6 b KY
                              Joseph age 3 b KY
                              William age 6/12 b KY

               411. Cornitt, William age 22 b KY
                              Sarah age 19 b KY

1870 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               49. Hawcom, Jesse age 26 b KY farmer
                              Susan age 26 b KY keeping house
                              John age 3 b KY
                              Arminda age 10/12 b KY

1890 Letcher County Kentucky Special Census

               William D. Cornett  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf 1863-1864

               Jesse Halcomb  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf July 1863-26 Dec 1864
               Joseph Halcomb  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf Aug 1863-Mar 1864



Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 11:09am.


Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams families
August 1992 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as Uriah Bates married Letticia “Letty” Adams who I believe born 1829 Carr Creek, Letcher Co KY from notes and d/o Benjamin Adams and Nancy Holbrook who were from Wilkes Co NC and settled in KY area.
Uriah & Letty had son Washington Uriah Bates that married Mary Higgins born 10 Apr 1862 and died 09 Aug 1888 had 4 children with Washington Uriah Bates.
Washington Uriah also was involved with Luanna "Pink" Hall and had 6 kids with her.... Pink was involved with, I think married to, Rhodes W. Meade and had I think 5 kids. It's more than complicated for sure.
Hoping to work out some of the mystery of these three families linked together.
Washington Uriah and Pink are Joe Bates’ parents.
Joe is the father of Andy Bates, his daughter is my mother, Molene.

1850 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               128. Adams, Benjamin age 56 b NC
                              Nancy (Holbrook) age 51 b KY
                              Benjamin age 22 b KY
                              Simpson age 19 b KY
                              Randolph age 16 b KY
                              Nancy age 14 b KY
                              Henrietta age 10 b KY

               129. Adams, Jesse age 29 b KYe
                              Margaret (Jenkins) age 24 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 5 b KY
                              Benjamin age 3 b KY
                              Nancy E. age 5/12 b KY

               130. Adams, John Ison age 32 b KY
                              Sarah (Craft) age 29 b KY
                              Benjamin age 10 b KY
                              James age 8 b KY
                              Nancy age 5 b KY
                              Jesse age 3 b KY

               159. Bates, Sarah (Cornett) age 47 b NC
                              Robin age 25 b KY
                              Sarah Ann age 20 b KY
                              Henderson age 18 b KY
                              Mary Jane age 14 b KY
                              Martin V. B. age 12 b KY

               160. Bates, Uriah age 22 b KY
                              Letta (Adams) age 21 b KY

1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               502. Bates, Uriah age 32 b KY
                              Letty age 31 b KY
                              Mary age 7 b KY
                              Babe age 2/12 b KY


Letcher County Kentucky Marriages 1843-1850

Original Facebook post: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 8:46pm.


Letcher County Kentucky Marriages 1843-1850
Published by: JoAnn Colbert Cioe doing business as The Researchers, Indianapolis, IN
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Here’s a few from a little paperback booklet 5x7 size I picked up at a genealogy conference a long time ago:

Listed for grooms with names: Bates, Cornett, Hall, Johnson, Short, Vanover

Bates, Henderson –Martha Robinson  24 Nov 1850
Bates, James –Elizabeth Adams  26 Feb 1843
Bates, John D. –Sarah Doldrige  12 May 1845
Bates, Uriah –Letty Adams  14 Oct 1849
     (Uriah & Letty are my ancestors)

Cornett, Stephen –Polly Polly  3 Dec 1848

Hall, Alexander –Rebecca Stergell  28 Dec 1848
Hall, Allen –Hanah Yonts  20 Apr 1847
Hall, Isom –Peggy Maggard  5 Dec 1847
Hall, James –Polly Cordell  5 Dec 1849
Hall, John –Peggy Skeen  20 Nov 1850
Hall, Reuben –Nancy Hall  24 Mar 1846
Hall, William –Mary Slone  4 Jun 1844

Johnson, John –Christene Reffit  8 Sep 1850
Johnson, William –Nancy Ashley  15 Jan 1848

Short, Alexander –Caroline Brooks  4 Oct 1845
Short, Alfred –Elizabeth Davis  21 Nov 1846
Short, David –Polly Cantrell  26 Aug 1849

Vanover, Eli –Olla Mullins  2 Mar 1848

Delivering the baby, and a few other tidbits about children of K & Pemmie Johnson

Original Facebook post: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 9:46pm.
by Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

Midwife

My Granny Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates recalled in the early 1990s that it was that delivered a number of folks she grew up with and helped to deliver herself.

Here are a few notes I found on who was credited as the midwife or doctor on site when her siblings were born, the children of Caleb “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson.

William “Wedd” Johnson was born 7 Jan 1902 at Millstone, Letcher Co KY and delivered by Liza Lucas.

Estill “Son” Johnson was born 17 Apr 1907 in Knott Co KY and delivered by Sal Perry. (She also said he was a sleepwalker.)

Lettie Johnson was born 11 Dec 1909 in Knott Co KY and delivered by Sal Perry.

Rosanna “Rosannie” Johnson was born 4 Nov 1913 in Knott Co KY and delivered by Sal Perry.
She also said Rosannie & Jack were married 12 May 1940 in Knott Co KY by Tom Caudill at Rosannie’s parents home.
She also said that in 1949, Rosannie was confined to a hospital in London KY for 6 months due to TB.
She also said that Doc Collier with help of Zettie delivered Rosannie’s twins, and Doc Kelly delivered baby Inez.

George Johnson was born 26 Feb 1917 in Knott Co KY and Mandy Caudill delivered him.

Calvin Johnson was born 5 May 1924 in Knott Co KY and French Caudill delivered him.

Vanover marriage records

Original Facebook post:  Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 9:07pm.


Vanover marriage records

William Vanover to Elizabeth Lucas
8 Oct 1854
Source: Letcher Co KY Marriage Book 1
Search: Letcher Co KY Courthouse records in May 1994; Whitesburg, Letcher Co KY
By: Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short
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Andrew Vanover as principal
William Lucas as surety
Bond of $100.00
Marriage of Andrew Vanover and Mary Page
Dated: 30 Jan 1888
Attest: Andrew Vanover and William Lucas
Solemnized: 6 Feb 1888, marriage of Andrew Vanover to Mary Page at EW Bakers in County of Letcher in presence of EW Baker and LE Baker.
Signed: EW Baker
Source: Letcher Co KY Marriage Book 8
Search: Letcher Co KY Courthouse records in May 1994; Whitesburg, Letcher Co KY

Caleb B. “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson family notes

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 13, 2011 at 11:28pm.

Caleb B. “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson family notes
Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson & husband Caleb B. "K" Johnson.
Note her converse sneakers -her usual style.
He had very, very poor eyesight always -if any of you knew of the reason,
please share as there are several descdants on this line that also have similar problem in varying degrees.

Caleb B. "K" Johnson
I do not know what "B" stands for -if you do PLEASE share.
Born 1 Mar 1872, Weeksbury, Floyd Co KY.
Died 26 Mar 1966, Kite, Knott Co KY. He always had very poor eyesight but never a diagnosis known (if you know of ...tales, PLEASE share them).
My Granny, Zettie Bates, his daughter, said he was a farmer & sold produce in the areas he lived. That I am aware he was not a coal miner.
He was raised in the Weeksbury KY area.
He's the son of Caleb Johnson & Mahala "Halley" (Justice/Jestice) Johnson. His father had a second marriage to Polly Whitacre & Zettie Bates had many tales & memories of Granny Polly.

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson
Born 05 Sep 1882 in Kite, Knott County, KY.
She died 23 Mar 1972, Knott County, KY. Her cause of death as best her daughter, Zettie (Johnson) Bates knew was ovarian cancer or a type of female cancer; it was never something you talked about -"female troubles". (If you have more details, PLEASE share.)
She attended the Mallie Church of the Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptist.
She's the daughter of Samuel "Sam" Hall & Malinda "Lynn" "Linda" Johnson.

My maternal great-grandmother, Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson.
It's on the porch of her house at the head of Bill D Holler near Kite, Knott Co KY.
Just across the way is the cemetery where she & family are buried.
Marriage of K & Pemmie
"K" and "Pemmie" married 18 Feb 1901 in Whitesburg, Letcher County, KY.
Their children included:
George "Noodlehead" Johnson (married Lizy Thornsberry)
Kanawha "Bush" Johnson (married Mindy Thornsberry)
Calvin "Snowball" Johnson (married Fronnie Johnson) -Calvin is still living
Estill "Son" Johnson (married Zella Bates)
Zettie Walker (yes, her middle name her father blessed her with was Walker) "Tudy" Johnson (married Andrew J. "Andy" Bates) -my maternal grandmother
William M. "Wid/Wedd" Johnson (married Lula "Luly" Hall)
Lettie Johnson (married Farris Bates)
Hattie Johnson (died 3 days old of "black arseptic" a blood disease that wasn't uncommon then; she was buried at 4 days old in cemetery where her parents are also buried)
Rosanna "Thomas" "Rosannie" Johnson (married Johna "Jack" Thornsberry).

Burial of K & Pemmie
"K" & "Pemmie" are buried at the far end, head of the holler on Bill D Branch at Kite, Knott County, KY.  To eventually find it, you turn up the holler, past the old schoolhouse and just keep on a driving. It's now a gravel road due to coal mining heavy in there now. Even when I was a young kid, we'd have to drive a vehicle down the creek part of the way up the holler.  You only went when knew creek was low. Now a vehicle can pull up around to a fenced area of the cemetery at what was the side of the cemetery. Used to you'd park where the road ends, where the houses stood, and cross over the creek via a tree felled or maybe a rough lumber bridge that would be dangerous & wobbly. There's a long line of their kids buried up there and it's filled in to a good sized cemetery now.
If you pass there when it's blooming with daisies smile and smell them but leave them for others to enjoy. Always made Granny's day when we'd see flowers in bloom around there -something alive up there.

This picture is as it was, blurred -it's not a bad scan.
Mom believes it is Grandma Pemmie (Angeline "Pemmie" Hall Johnson) and her sister "Aunt Caroline" (Caroline Hall and she'd married Bud Hall) as Mom used to go visit Aunt Caroline & Grandma Johnson. But then were not certain since Mom's legally blind not as easy one to make out for her.
Dad was asked and generally he knew the pics but on this one he was not certain.
If you have better clues, please share ideas.
This would have been taken early 1960s; one from Mom's picture files.
Thornsberry family connections of the spouses of children of K & Pemmie
Lizy & Jack are children of Marshall & Rosannie (Hall) Thornsberry.
Marshall is the son of Miles & Clarinda Thornsberry.

Bates family connections of the spouses of children of K & Pemmie
Farris and Zella are siblings, and a cousin is Andy
 Farris Bates and Zella (Bates) Johnson are the children of Tilden Tildon "Tinny" Bates & Martha M. "Sissy" (Hall) Bates.  Tinny the son of Washington Uriah Bates & Luanna "Pink" Hall.
Uriah & Pink had another son Joseph "Joe" Bates who married Margaret Alice "Mary Alice" "Babe" Vanover and they had a son Andrew J. "Andy" Bates who married Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates.

Four Generations of Bates as well as four generations of Johnsons.
Back row, left to right: Carnelous "Cack" Bates, son of Zettie (Johnson) Bates.
Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates, daughter of Pemmie Johnson,
and daughter-in-law of Mary Alice Bates.
Bottom row, left to right: Margaret Alice "Mary Alice" "Babe" (Vanover) Bates;
Brenda (Bates) Allen, daughter of Cack Bates; Angeline "Pemmie" Hall.




Obit of my maternal great-grandfather Caleb B. Johnson

Originally posted: Sunday, February 6, 2011 at 10:05pm on Facebook.


My maternal Granny Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates had a little stack of obituary cards she’d gotten from attending many funerals over her many years of Earthly life.
In Jan 1993, I made notation of the printing of the one from her father:

Caleb B. Johnson
               Born March 1, 1872    
               Died March 27, 1966
               Services: At the home, 10 AM, Wednesday, March 30, 1966.
               Clergymen: Ministers of Old Regular Baptist Church
               Final Resting Place: Family Cemetery, Kite, KY
               Arrangements: Hall Brothers Funeral Home

This is the large picture that hung in the living room at Great Aunt Rosannie's house.
I always could stare at it for ages. Huge pic & so awesome that I was
able to see my grandparents Granny & Aunt Rosannie would tell me about. 

Caleb "K" Johnson (son of Caleb & Mahala Jestice Johnson;
their son William "Wedd" Johnson;
Angeline "Pemmie" Hall Johnson
(daughter of Sam & Lynn Johnson Hall.
My Granny Bates parents. 

"A picture of a picture I took of a picture."
I don't have a scanner hooked up to my new laptop
and my old laptop is in sad condition. I hope to scan
and get these looking a lot better to share,
but just had to post them since I ran across them.

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson & husband Caleb B. "K" Johnson. 
Note her converse sneakers -her usual style.
He had very, very poor eyesight always -if any of you knew of the reason,
please share as there are several descendants on this line
that also have similar problem in varying degrees.

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson & husband Caleb B. "K" Johnson. 
Pemmie is the daughter of Samuel "Sam" & Malinda "Lynn" "Linda" (Johnson) Hall .
K is the son of Caleb & Mahala "Halley" (Justice/Jestice) Johnson.
     Extra notes from me:

     It was common in that day to have the funeral at the home. And a man of the family would sit up all night watching over the person who had passed away. There is much lore behind this, and one that young kids like to learn about for school projects. I remember a few such as this, of course this was a couple years before I was born. If there was a person of my Mom’s family who died in KY –you knew first place to always figure going was Hall Bros in Hindman, Knott Co or Letcher Funeral Home in Whitesburg, Letcher Co KY.

     I had folks help clarify some of the original notes based on Facebook comments:  Hall Bros located at Martin,KY.  Hindman Funeral Services,Inc. and Nelson Frazier Funeral Home are the current Funeral Homes in Hindman,KY.  At one time Hindman,KY.also had a Casebolt,Hoskins & Cox Funeral Home and Knott Funeral Home.  Another noted that Hall Bros is in Martin in FLOYD Co., Kentucky.

     Noticing her necklace reminds me of Granny Zettie Bates jewelry (her daughter). She had a few pins/brooches that Uncle Herman, her son Herman Bates, would give her as Christmas gifts. She liked black glass bead necklaces. I have several old one's I've found around, taken to a jeweler to be knotted as pearls and always keep her close with the memory. No, she didn't wear any jewelry after she was a young adult and joined a church that didn't permit jewelry.  She did wear her wedding band and a watch in later years -I seldom recall her with a brooch on. Her ears were pierced, though. More on that later...

Saturday, January 14, 2012

Lester, Allen, Coon Dog...

Lester, Allen, Coon Dog...

     Going through old notes on facebook, I came across a few pictures of my Dad up to his usual antics.  70-something and we still have to worry about his carrying-on more than the toddlers or teenagers.  However, we all do hope that we can grow up to enjoy life as much as he does when the opportunity presents itself. 

     He always was a hard worker.  He would have fun while he worked, even in the summer heat to earn college money. 
     That's him in 1957 when he worked for Del Monte, out in the fields bringing in the harvest.  Oh, to hear those tales of Del Monte coming to the mountains and getting a load of college kids to live in bunk houses to earn money for another year of school.  

     Dad always rattled off to ditty to us: Allen Lester from Winchester.  Well, it did help us learn where we lived.  He is the son of Douglas Irvin and Mary Emmer (Holcomb) Halcomb of Gordon, Linefork area in Letcher County, Kentucky.  Irv is the son of Jesse & Susanna "Susan" (Stamper) Holcomb.  Mary is the daughter of Joseph "Joe" and Nancy (Cornett) Halcomb/Holcomb. 

     That is Dad in 1981 in front of Granny Halcomb's house.  The house he grew up in from school age to adult.  It is along the Linefork Creek, near Gordon, Letcher County, Kentucky.  Poor creek is wider than a lot of rivers I've seen, but is was just shy of having enough length to be classified as a river.  It was so cool when they moved in that house for a little boy.  There was a "window" that was built in that really was an old car door.  All they had to do to let in a little fresh air was crank the window down.
     Sadly, the house burned to the ground years later after no family was living in it.  Then the land became overgrown with weeds, and there is no sign of it having had a house, outhouse, couple of wells, barns, not even the long sidewalk that went up to the roadside.  On an adventure there, I did find a small chunk of the old sidewalk.  Both homes I've had, I put it out in a flowerbed area I walk in often. Little things like that help give pause to days gone by, as well as thanks for having been picked to be a part of this family.

     That is Dad enjoying life with the kids.  This merry-go-round is best EVER when voted on by my kids.  It is in Berne, Indiana.  I highly recommend it for there are giant swings and old monkey bars. The great toys that we kids loved, and now deemed unsafe for school yards, but totally waiting on adults to play along with kids on them.  It was taken Labor Day 2009.  The weather was drizzly.  We had stopped for a picnic at a covered bridge just south of the area.  And of course always stop to play in the park. 

     Dad saw I had my camera out (as usual) and hollered: "Howdy, folks!" 

     I think my Dad dreams of the days when the grandsons get "toys" that he can play on.  In 2006, that is him jumping right on a go-kart one of his grandsons had gotten.  He isn't a playing sports kind of guy.  Get out a big boy toy or anything to do with hunting & fishing... and he can't get there fast enough to join right in on the fun.  He did well, no accidents or crashes.  I don't even think he had a near miss that day. 

     On a Saturday after Christmas in 2008, the kids & grandkids gathered as usual.  One of his grandsons had gotten a brand spanking new dirt bike from "Santy Claws".  Dad loved watching how much fun the older grandsons and sons were having.  
     
     He got a quick rundown on the operation of the machine, declined a helmet, and took off.  
  Dad rounded the barn with the bike pushed to full throttle. 
I had to jump back to avoid getting hit while trying to take a picture that wasn't blurry. 

     This is what stopped the bike, and Dad.

     Dad rounded a big pine tree in the yard, still having the bike roaring at full throttle.  He couldn't swing the bike to a wider curve, mind you still going full speed, thus wasn't curving wide enough to avoid the bar... and hit it full force head on, going over the handlebars.

     It was quite the heart-stopping moment.  Most of us had come outside to watch him, and every one of us were frozen in our shoes in shock for a few seconds.  He had mud all over his bibs, it shows a bit in the following picture. 
  
 He had scrapes down both legs, a little gash on his hand I believe, but he had his spirit still in tact.  There was nasty bruising for a few days.  But he got back on it after supper and was on it about once a year given a chance.  However, it seems that the boys tend to have 4 wheelers and go-karts and not so many dirt bikes around to catch his eye. 

    Oh, the biggest lesson to everyone was always asking first where the emergency shut off switch is located. My sister-in-law summed it up well when she said she will never forget him on the dirt bike, even if she loses her memory, for that vision will be her forever. 

   
     In July 2011, here is Dad with a roasted banana.  He had heard about folks doing it.  Someone had recommended he try it, and of course that meant he had to try it.  If I recall, he didn't like it.  I don't allow bananas at home during the summer -when you eat them, your body emits something that attracts mosquitoes and the kids & I seem to be hypersensitive to the bites & get whelts, thus no 'naners.  
     Dad brought his own, even had his name wrote on it.  I must say, an ink pen marks a banana pretty well.  We had all gathered for fireworks.  We were worried we'd have a no fireworks gathering.  The weather had been a nasty drought with terribly high heat for many weeks.  There was just enough rain and break in the weather for the celebration.  Sadly, the heat returned and garden harvests for everyone were pathetic. 


     On 23 January 2011, Dad made dinner for us.  One of the best parts is he also does the clean up saying we need to "go visit with your Mother."  It is the usual hill-jack dinner.  Ribs (not Hoosier or western style; KY style where you boil them blandly with taters).  Of course I grab BBQ sauce to pour over mine, because they raised me in Indiana.  Mac & 'mater juice, corn, green beans, two pones KY corn bread, soup beans. AND, stove top peach dumplings.  He took a plate to Mom and said: We sweated when we put 'em up last summer -now we're freezing eating them.


     Last thoughts are what fun he creates for The Boys.  My sons are lucky to be able to have outings with him at times.  Here, he was taking the older one on a hike through a muddy woods.  September 2011 will be one they both remember well.  You can never go wrong with fashion or comfort when you wear your "Papaw Pants" -bib overalls.