Notes on Washington Uriah Bates & Luanna “Anna” “Pink” Hall; also Mary Higgins, Rhodes W. Meade

Original Facebook post: Thursday, February 24, 2011 at 8:30pm.

These are notes I made up after looking over stuff. I will update along as I post this in other groups and get any feedback.

Notes on Washington Uriah Bates & Luanna “Anna” “Pink” Hall; also Mary Higgins, Rhodes W. Meade
Family history facebook note; Feb 2011; Thursa Marlene (Halcomb-Nunley) Short
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Washington Uriah “Rarr Bates
               b 06 Apr 1848-1849, Floyd Co KY
               d 09 Aug 1888, Kite, Knott Co KY
               s/o Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams
               note says he was killed when daughter Mary was 3 days old; killed in Civil War.
               relationship with Pink Hall –notes are saying never married
               relationship with Mary Higgins
                              b 10 Apr 1862
                              d 09 Aug 1888, burial Kite, Knott Co KY

Luanna “Anna” “Pink” Hall
               b 1850, Kite, Floyd Co KY
               d 18 Mar 1891, Kite, Knott Co KY
               d/o William D. “Bill Dee” Hall & Louanza Isaacs
               relationship with W. Uriah Bates –notes are saying never married
               relationship with Rhodes W. Meade
                              b 1842-1850
                              d 1938

Children of W. Uriah & Pink:
               Joseph “Joe” Bates
                              b 01-03 Mar 1875, Floyd Co KY  
                              d 27 Dec 1928, Seco, Letcher Co KY; buried Kite, Knott Co KY
                              married Margaret Alice “Mary Alice” “Babe” Vanover
               Tilden/Tildon “Tinny” Bates
                              B 01 Dec 1877
                              D 20 Mar 1965
                              Married Martha M. “Sissy” Hall
               Lily Par “Lillie Fair” Bates
                              B 13 Mar 1879
                              D 16 Aug 1968
                              Married Henry Perry

Children of Rhodes W. Meade & Pink:
               Rosa Rosie Ellen “Doll” Meade
                              B 17 May 1885
                              D 1 Nov 1973
                              Married Jethro Hall
               Elizabeth “Tab” Meade
                              B c1880
                              Married Sam Hammons
               Mary Jane “Coon” Meade
                              B c1880
                              Married Willie Hall
               Luly Meade
                              B c1870-1890
               “Snow” Meade
                              B c1870-1890

Children of W. Uriah & Mary:
               Columbus “Lum” Bates
                              Some notes say son of Uriah & Mary, some Uriah & Pink
                              B 17 May 1881
                              D 30 Oct 1975, Lexington KY
                              Married Liza Thornsberry, married Virgie Slone
               Ireland Bates
                              Some notes say son of Uriah & Mary, some Uriah & Pink
                              B 12 Mar 1884
                              D 06 Aug 1928
                              Married Cordia Hall
               Maryland D. Bates
                              Some notes say son of Uriah & Mary, some Uriah & Pink
                              B 28 Feb 1886
                               D 05 Jan 1983
                              Married Mattie Craft
               Mary Bates
                              B May 1888
                              D 27 Apr 1960
                              Married Maryland Hall
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1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               502. Bates, Uriah age 32 b KY
                              Letty age 31 b KY
                              Mary age 7 b KY
                              Babe age 2/12 b KY

1910 Knott County Kentucky Census
               138. Bates, Joseph age 35 married 15 years farmer
                              Mary A. age 35 children 8; 8 living
                              Uriah age 12
                              Andrew age 10
                              Clarence age 9
                              Ernest age 7
                              Flora age 5
                              Mary A. age 3
                              Landis age 2
                              Tilden age 6/12

Joe & Mary Alice (Vanover) Bates misc. notes

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 8:12pm.

Joe & Mary Alice (Vanover) Bates misc. notes
Discussion notes with Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates early 1990s by Thursa Marlene (Halcomb-Nunley) Short.
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Joseph “Joe” and Margaret Alice “Mary Alice” “Babe” (Vanover) Bates

Joe’s store.  He started storekeeping on land he inherited from Bill D. Hall.  (Looking at old notes, that was a few generations back: William D. “Bill Dee/D” Hall married Louanza “Ansy” Isaacs, had daughter Luanna “Pink” Hall, Pink had a relationship with Washington Uriah Bates (no indication they were married; he was married to a Mary Higgins and she was married/relationship to a Rhodes W. Meade). Pink and Uriah had child Joseph “Joe” Bates (his son is Andrew J. “Andy” Bates, my maternal grandfather).

Mary Alice was 21 years old when her son Andy was born. (Looking at old notes, Andrew J. “Andy” Bates, my maternal grandfather, has noted birthday 18 Jun 1899 in Knott Co KY.)

Mary Alice’s father Andrew William Vanover is buried at: Furl Strange Graveyard. (Didn’t have note of county.)

Joe & Mary Alice’s children: Uriah, Andrew, Clarence, Earnest, Flora, Mary Anna, Landis, Tilden, Columbus “Dib”, Rosie, Lily Fair, Nebraska. All of the children except Nebraska were delivered by Sal Perry.  Nebraska was delivered by Mandy Cole. Nebraska died of the flu.

Joe & Mary Alice’s wedding: 4 Sep 1895, Democrat Letcher Co KY.

Recollections of Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011.

Recollections of Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates

     Early 1990s; by Thursa Marlene (Halcomb-Nunley) Short, daughter of Molene
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Birth:
     Zettie was born on a Saturday and Nan Quillen of Neon KY delivered her.

Marriage: 
     Zettie Walker "Tudy" Johnson married Andrew J. “Andy” Bates
     Son of Joseph “Joe” & Margaret Alice “Mary Alice” “Babe” (Vanover) Bates.
     Daughter of Caleb B. “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson.
     Zettie was 15 years old
     Andy was 20 years old.
     They were married by Sherman Gibson in 1919 at her mother’s home at noon.

Homes of Tudy and Andy:
     1919-1924                   Hollow above Pemmie Johnson place (Bill D Hall Branch, near Kite, Knott Co
                                          KY
     1924 for 1 1/2 years     Floyd Co KY
     Then awhile                  Beaver Creek, around the Bates Cemetery area (at mouth of Bill D. Hall
                                         Branch, near Kite, Knott Co KY) for awhile.
     In 1928 to                    Thornton, KY
     In 1945 to                    Mill Branch holler near Roxana, Letcher Co KY.  Burned 30 Nov 1992.
     In 1973 to                    New home Andy built on Mill Branch 1973.

Church memberships:
     Zettie: 
          Joined Thornton Church of Old Union Association, Old Regular Baptists, Mayking KY on 3rd
          Sunday April 1933.
          Baptized by Bennett Adams at Thornton Church of Old Union Association, Old Regular Baptists,
          Mayking KY on 3rd Sunday, May 1933.

     Andy: 
          Joined Thornton Church of Old Union Association, Old Regular Baptists, Mayking KY and was
          baptized by Bennett Adams on 17 Apr 1932.
          First preaching was 1st Saturday September 1939 at a call meeting in the Old Storehouse at
          Thornton KY.
          Ordained preacher the 3rd Saturday, note didn’t state month, in 1939 at Mayking KY.

     Andy baptized: 
          Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson –his mother in law, in 1938.
          Malinda “Lynn” (Johnson) Hall –his mother in law’s mother, in 1939.
          Margaret Alice “Mary Alice” “Babe” (Vanover) Bates –his mother, in 1939.

     Membership: 
           Both changed church membership the 2nd Saturday October 1959.
          Sent letter to Thornton Gap, Old Regular Baptists Church, Old Union Association at Coleson KY.
          Mayking church left the Old Union Association and formed it’s own Association.
          Andy & Zettie wanted to remain with their original Association of the Old Regular Baptist, so they
          changed to the Thornton Gap church.

Land ownership:
     Bought land that Joe Bates’ (Andy’s father) store was located on Beaver Creek (Knott Co KY).
     Later sold that land to purchase property on Mill Branch in Letcher County KY.

Education:
     Zettie was not afforded an education.
     She started school but it was extremely short lived as she was needed at home to help with siblings.
     If she had been given glasses as a child or young adult –she might have been able to read.
     She was able to do some basic reading as her younger children progressed through school and some
     graduated high school.

     Andy attended school through the 8th grade at Bill D Branch schoolhouse near Kite, Knott Co KY.

Children of Andy & Zettie:
     Carneleous “Cack”
          Born 31 Oct 1920, a Sunday, Halloween, in Knott Co KY.
          French Caudill delivered him. Andy named him.
     Greely “Bud”
          Born 18 Mar (still living), a Sunday, in Knott Co KY.
          French Caudill delivered him. Andy named him.
     Grady “Painter”
          Born 23 Jul 1925 in Liberty, Floyd Co KY.
          Died in a mining accident 15 Mar 1947 in Letcher Co KY.
          Buried at Bates Family Cemetery near Kite, Knott Co KY.
          Married Opal Cole on 23 Sep 1944 in Letcher Co KY.
          Born on a Thursday.
          Nurse Catherine Bentley delivered him.
          “Old Man” Sizemore named him. He served in “CC”s service 1941-1942.
     Edna “Siddy”
          Born 18 Dec 1927, a Sunday, in Knott Co KY.
          Lynn Johnson delivered her (Malinda “Lynn” Hall Johnson, the maternal grandmother of Zettie.)
          Zettie named her.
          Died 23 Aug 1929 in Letcher Co KY due to Whooping Cough.
          Buried at Bates Family Cemetery, near Kite, Knott Co KY.
     Herman “Fake”
          Born 12 mar 1930, a Wednesday, in Letcher Co KY.
          Delivered by Tildy Franklin.
          Andy named him.
     Kermit “Soda”
          Born 8 Dec (still living), a Thursday, in Letcher Co KY.
          Doc Pigman delivered him.
         Doc named him “Raymond” on paperwork he was to fill out.
         Tudy had to get after him and got the name changed to Kermit.
         Rosannie (Zettie’s sister) named him after an old boyfriend of Rosannie’s.
     Norma Jean “Mug”
          Born 14 June (still living), a Sunday, Flag Day, in Letcher Co KY.
          Dog Pigman delivered her.
          Zettie had intended on her named Wanita, but Doc Pigman sent in Norma Jean on paperwork.
          Tudy later noted there were many “Norma Jean” babies born in the area for a while.
     Owen “Doc”
          Born 18 Dec (still living), a Sunday, in Letcher Co KY.
          Doc Pigman delivered.
          Zettie had intended on him named Caleb, Doc Pigman sent in Owen –and it was left that way.
     Molene “Moley”
           Born 19 Jan (still living), a Monday, in Letcher Co KY.
           Doc Pigman delivered.
           Zettie and Greely (Zettie’s son) named her after an old girlfriend of Greely’s.
     Margarine “Margie” “Baby Doll”
          Born 6 Sep (still living), a Wednesday, in Letcher Co KY.
          Doc Collier delivered her.
          Andy named her; Zettie wanted to name her Mary Alice.

Knott County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bates & Hall families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011.

Knott County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bates & Hall families
August 1992 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as Joseph and Mary A. Bates are parents to Andrew who’s father of Molene –my mother.

This ties to my Hall families as Nellie with husband/relationship with Dick Hall are parents of Sam hall father of Pemmie Hall mother of Zettie Bates  mother of Molene –my mother.

For added twist, of course no surprise, Nellie was married to William “Bill” as seen here and had children who are kin via the Bates side of my family; Nellie ties back to the Bates family via Hall ancestors in common.

No matter what tree branch I follow on my maternal side –I’m related to William and Nellie as noted on this census.


1900 Knott County Kentucky Census
               373. Bates, William  b Nov 1840  age 59 farmer
                              Nellie b Feb 1835 age 65 children 9; 7 living

1910 Knott County Kentucky Census
               112. Bates, William J.  age 70 married 42 years
                              Nellie age 75 3rd marriage, children 9; 6 living

               138. Bates, Joseph age 35 married 15 years farmer
                              Mary A. age 35 children 8; 8 living
                              Uriah age 12
                              Andrew age 10
                              Clarence age 9
                              Ernest age 7
                              Flora age 5
                              Mary A. age 3
                              Landis age 2
                              Tilden age 6/12

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Updated note 01 FEB 2014.

     This is a picture I took of a picture my (Great) Aunt Rosie had been given of her parents -also the parents of my maternal great-grandparents.  I don't recall where she thought the original would have been,  but this would have been on a visit to her my mom & Granny Tudy Bates in the late 80s to the mid 90s.  Photo of Margaret Alice "Mary Alice" "Babe" (Vanover) and Joseph "Joe" Bates.

     In 1910, my maternal grandfather Andy Bates was 10 years old.  That's the age one of my sons is turning soon.  My, the world is certainly a different place than it was back then.  This is a picture of my maternal grandfather -Andrew J. "Andy" Bates on his front porch.  Wife of Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates; son of Joe and Mary Alice (Vanover) Bates; father of Molene (Bates) Halcomb my mother.
   
     In the bottom left corner, I see the old clipboard.  This would have been taken before I would have started writing family story notes.  I wonder what list was being made on that board.  He is dressed in his Sunday clothes, he as a Preacher with the Old Regular Baptist.  Or, it could have been a picture taken before or after a funeral.
   

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb and Susanna “Susan” Stamper families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 11:32am.

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb and Susanna “Susan” Stamper families
May 1994 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my paternal Halcomb family line as Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb married Susanna “Susan” Stamper.
They had son Douglas Irvin Halcomb who married Mary Emmer Holcomb.
Irv & Mary had son Allen Lester Halcomb, my father.

1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               87. Stamper, Ison age 52 b VA
                              Sarah age 52 b VA
                              John age 26 b KY
                              Sarah age 24 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 22 b KY
                              Sintha age 20 b KY
                              Elaxander age 18 b KY
                              Susanah age 16 b KY
                              Lemuel age 14 b KY
                              Wiley age 12 b KY
                              Mary age 10 b KY
                              James age 7 b KY

               396. Halcum, Henderson age 38 b KY
                              Matilda age 27 b KY
                              Mary age 13 b KY
                              Susanah age 11 b KY
                              Martha age 8 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 5 b KY
                              Solomon age 3 b KY
                              Joseph age 9/12 b KY

               410. Halcum, Samuel age 30 b KY
                              Louisa age 30 b KY
                              Sarah age 6 b KY
                              Joseph age 3 b KY
                              William age 6/12 b KY

               411. Cornitt, William age 22 b KY
                              Sarah age 19 b KY

1870 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               49. Hawcom, Jesse age 26 b KY farmer
                              Susan age 26 b KY keeping house
                              John age 3 b KY
                              Arminda age 10/12 b KY

1890 Letcher County Kentucky Special Census

               William D. Cornett  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf 1863-1864

               Jesse Halcomb  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf July 1863-26 Dec 1864
               Joseph Halcomb  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf Aug 1863-Mar 1864

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 11:09am.

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams families
August 1992 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as Uriah Bates married Letticia “Letty” Adams who I believe born 1829 Carr Creek, Letcher Co KY from notes and d/o Benjamin Adams and Nancy Holbrook who were from Wilkes Co NC and settled in KY area.
Uriah & Letty had son Washington Uriah Bates that married Mary Higgins born 10 Apr 1862 and died 09 Aug 1888 had 4 children with Washington Uriah Bates.
Washington Uriah also was involved with Luanna "Pink" Hall and had 6 kids with her.... Pink was involved with, I think married to, Rhodes W. Meade and had I think 5 kids. It's more than complicated for sure.
Hoping to work out some of the mystery of these three families linked together.
Washington Uriah and Pink are Joe Bates’ parents.
Joe is the father of Andy Bates, his daughter is my mother, Molene.

1850 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               128. Adams, Benjamin age 56 b NC
                              Nancy (Holbrook) age 51 b KY
                              Benjamin age 22 b KY
                              Simpson age 19 b KY
                              Randolph age 16 b KY
                              Nancy age 14 b KY
                              Henrietta age 10 b KY

               129. Adams, Jesse age 29 b KYe
                              Margaret (Jenkins) age 24 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 5 b KY
                              Benjamin age 3 b KY
                              Nancy E. age 5/12 b KY

               130. Adams, John Ison age 32 b KY
                              Sarah (Craft) age 29 b KY
                              Benjamin age 10 b KY
                              James age 8 b KY
                              Nancy age 5 b KY
                              Jesse age 3 b KY

               159. Bates, Sarah (Cornett) age 47 b NC
                              Robin age 25 b KY
                              Sarah Ann age 20 b KY
                              Henderson age 18 b KY
                              Mary Jane age 14 b KY
                              Martin V. B. age 12 b KY

               160. Bates, Uriah age 22 b KY
                              Letta (Adams) age 21 b KY

1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               502. Bates, Uriah age 32 b KY
                              Letty age 31 b KY
                              Mary age 7 b KY
                              Babe age 2/12 b KY

Floyd County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bill D Hall family search

Original Facebook posting: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 10:51pm.

Floyd County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bill D Hall family search

August 1994 search per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as William is “Bill D/Dee Hall” where Bates & Johnson family lines lived and are buried in Knott Co KY.
Some might recognize Bill & Ansy/Ansa’s daughter “Pink” (Luanna, Anna) who was Joe Bates’ mother.
Joe is the father of Andy Bates, his daughter is my mother, Molene.

1850 Floyd Co KY Census
               280. Isaacs, William  age 54  b NC
Sarah  age 60  b VA
                 Hays, William age 27  b KY
  Hall, Ansey  age 27  b KY
Harrison  age 4  b KY
Sarah  age 2  b KY

(Not sure why I don’t have notes on 1860; might have not taken or records destroyed or I just didn’t find it to look through it.)

1870 Floyd Co KY Census
               61. Hall, William D.  age 49  b KY
                              Anza  age 49  b KY
                              Anna  age 19  b KY
                              Henry  age 17  b KY
                              Andrew  age 12  b KY
                              Elenor  age 7  b KY
                              Margaret  age 5  b KY
                 Isaacs, William  age 77  b NC
                              Sarah  age 87  b VA

1880 Floyd Co KY Census
               (entry number not legible)
               Hall, William D.  age 55  b KY  Dad born NC, Mom born VA, married
                              Luanzy age 52  b KY  Dad born NC, Mom born VA, married
               Bates, James  age 25  b KY  Dad born VA, Mom born KY, married
                              Eleanor  age 23  b KY  Dad born KY, Mom born KY, married
                              Elizabeth age 4  b KY
                              Louanzy M.  age 9/12  b KY