Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates - My Granny

Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates - My Granny

      I do not have a picture of my grandmother before this, taken in 1930.  From 1904 when she was born until this photograph sitting in 1930, there is no pictorial reference to her life. She was 26 years old in the photo with her four sons and husband.  Left to right: Greeley, Tudy holding Herman, Grady, Andy, and Cack.


     
     The next picture jumps ahead to the mid-1940s  in a picture of her holding my mother, Molene.  I noted when I was young that my Granny tended to tilt her head a little when she was thinking.  We'd always have to tell Tudy to straighten up her head knowing she would do a head tilt for a picture -she didn't walk around like that -just did it for a picture or when she was thinking something over. She'd then laugh, get tickled and we'd have to pause. Oh, funny memories that makes.  Thanks, Granny.

     When my parents moved to Indiana in the 1960s, they had a telephone installed at my grandparents home.  Mom and Granny were able to keep in touch even though they were separated by many miles.  

     Every Christmas that I recall as a child, we went "home" -to my Granny and Grandpa Bates house.  This as taken Christmas 1964 at Granny's home in the holler of Mill Branch.  Christmas dinner was set on the table, and served after she fed her new granddaughter.  I don't have to close my eyes and I can easily recall a look my Granny would get when she would get to hold a new baby.  She understood how special life was and precious that she was holding a blessing.  I believe it was moments like that she was closest to God, being wholly aware of His miracle. 

     This picture is four generations of Johnson women.  Granny Bates, my Mom, me, and my daughter. No matter how stressed life would be or seem to be rushing past.  A few hours sitting with Granny on the sofa or on the porch and if only for a couple hours... the world would stand still and be calm and you just knew everything would be okay.  Things might be hard, real hard, but in the end it would be okay.

 

     My granny.  She's right.  Life is hard at times, real hard, but in the end it will be okay.

Pantry supper - Granny Bates Cornbread

Pantry supper - Granny Bates Cornbread

     Cornbread has been a staple of my diet for as long as I can remember.  My parents are from southeastern Kentucky.  In the early 1960s, the moved to eastern Indiana and put down roots.  But, "home" was, and for them always will be, the mountains.  Any school break, funeral, or sickness we were on the road down home.  I am glad for those miles.  Many treasured memories that modern kids miss if parents let a DVD player, DS game system, iPad, iPod, or cell phone 'keep the kid busy'.  I highly recommend road trips with disconnect agendas to allow your kids to get to know you better. You will be amazed and even shocked at all the beans a kid will spill about friends and family and hopes and dreams from the back seat of vehicle while they think you are only sort of paying attention.

Pantry supper - Granny Bates Cornbread

     This ain't a "hoosier-cake" as I call midwestern yellow and sweet cornbread.  This is poor mans bread that some call hot water cornbread.  It's cheap and will make you lick your lips all night dreaming of another slice with butter melting on it.  My parents love it as a dessert... crumbled up cornbread into a cup of buttermilk or even milk if you don't have a taste for buttermilk.

Pantry supper - Granny Bates Cornbread

Granny Bates Cornbread

     Here's the tricky part that can mess folks up on the final result... it a 1:2 ratio of one part self-rising white flour to 2 parts self-rising white corn meal mix... one part flour to two parts meal.

Ingredients to make a medium size pone of cornbread in a cast iron skillet:
2 cups self rising white corn meal mix
1 cup self rising white flour
4 pinches of salt (that's how I measured it when I paid attention this time, lol)
2 pinches of pepper (again, that's how I measured it when I paid attention this time, lol)

Pantry supper - Granny Bates Cornbread

     Preheat oven to 350 F.  Medium to large cast iron skillet, gently wipe interior with a thin layer of oil as when seasoning it (the cleanup will be so much easier if you do this), and wipe one more time with a clean paper towel to assure excess oil removed.  Put the skillet in the oven to preheat while you assemble the cornbread ingredients. Combine all dry ingredients.  Now, here's your challenge... getting the right amount of water into the batter.  So, start with 1/2 a cup and add 1/4 cup at a time until it seems the consistency of thick pancake batter.  Some folks swear hot water helps, I haven't noticed a big difference.  Stir well a couple of times until all ingredients are mixed, and then let set about 5 minutes at least.
     Carefully remove the hot skillet from the oven.  Stir the mix one time well, then pour into the hot skillet quickly.  Put the pan in the oven.  Turn up the heat to 400 F and let it bake about 35 minutes, then continue baking until the crust is the desired dark crusty crust you prefer (one hour at most).  Hey, if it burns somewhere and no one in the house likes that... just cut that part off and add to the compost pile.  I actually prefer a crust a darker and crunchier than noted in the pictures.  I am a crust loving girl.  Some folks like the inside stuffings.  You decide for yourself.

Pantry supper - Granny Bates Cornbread

     If you flip the pone of bread out of the skillet while hot from the oven onto a large plate... your skillet should be clean enough to fill with a batch of brownie mix to bake since the oven is already hot.  I might have done that and loved it. The Boys like that use of efficiency.  Same on the brownie, flip out onto a plate and clean up should be just a wiping out of the skillet.

Brownies baked after I turned out a pone of cornbread from my cast iron skillet. 

If you try it... leave me a review.

Old Regular Baptist Church, various Association’s Minute Book obituary notes.

Original Facebook post: Sunday, March 13, 2011 at 8:29pm.

Old Regular Baptist Church, various Association’s Minute Book obituary notes.

Compiled in early 1990’s by Thursa M. (Halcomb-Nunley) Short from my maternal Grandmother Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates collection.

Edited March 2011.
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Ellis Bates
               New Salem Association, 1988
               s/o Columbus “C. B.” Bates & Eliza
               Born 2 Nov 1914
               Died 4 Mar 1985
               Preceded in death: Parents; 1 son Marvin Douglas; a sister Cleranda Hall.
               Survivors: wife Miona. 2 daughters, Jacqueline and Arlene. 2 grandchildren Marty and Kendra. 4                  brothers Curtis, Roscoe, Isadore, Everett. 2 sisters Olga Slone, Sadie King.
               Served US Army 1942-1945
               Coal mining history: Retired after mine injury in 1973.
               Note: Found out had cancer in Jun 1984, had a lung removed.
               Church affiliation: Joined 22 Feb 1985.

Liza Bates
               New Salem Association, 1966
               d/o Miles Thornsberry & Clerenda Hall Thornsberry
               b. 12 May 1884
               d. 9 Jan 1966
               Married Lumb Bates about 1902
               Children: 8; Curt, Roscoe, Isador, Ellis, Everett, Clerinda, Olga, Sada
               Survivors: 3 brothers.
               Preceded in death: 2 sisters, 3 brothers.
               Church affiliation: Joined on 4th Saturday of August 1941; member of Providence Church
               Note indicated had cancer.

Luther Bates
               Thornton Union Association, 1986
               Born 4 Oct 1907 in Knott Co KY
               Died 3 Dec 1985
               s/o Ireland Bates and Cordia Hall Bates
               Married on 25 Mar 1930 to Minnie Baker
               Children: 5 daughters: Alpha Fields, Lucille Polly, Joyce Brooks, Barbara Duncil, Helen Cook.
               Survivors: Alpha, Lucille, Joyce, Barbara. 2 brothers: Noble Bates and Russell Bates. 14                              grandchildren. 12 great-grandchildren.

Mary Alice “Babe” Bates
               New Salem Association, 1964
               Died 02 Dec 1962 at 1 PM.
               Married Joe Bates, he preceded her in death.
               Children: 12.  R. B. Bates of Hindman KY, Clearance of Omaha, Ernest of Jackhorn KY, Andy                  of Roxana KY, Landis of Topmost KY, Tilden of Melvin KY, Flara of Louisville KY, Rosie of                    Melvin KY, Lily of Thornton KY, Mary Ann of Jackhorn KY.
               Preceded in death: children Columbus and Nebraska.
               Church affiliation: Providence Church member.

Maryland D. Bates
               Union Association, 1983
               Born 28 Feb 1886 on Beaver Creek in Knott Co KY.
               Death 5 Jul 1983
               s/o Uriah Bates and Mary Higgins Bates.
“… His father and mother both died when he was only two years old, and he grew up without knowing the love of a mother and the protecting hand of a father.  When he was eight years old, he was brought to Millstone, in Letcher Co., to live with his uncle Garret Bates when he was sixteen he went to make his home with Bert Tolliver on Thornton Creek, where he lived until he was grown. In the year of 1906 he was married to Mattie E. Craft and they made their home on Millstone and raised a large family of children…”
               “…On Feb. 6, 1958, after fifty-two years of happy married life, his good wife was called away…”
               Church affiliation: Member of Elizabeth Church.
               Survived: 3 sons Jesse, Columbus, Daniel Bates. 2 daughters Pollie Ann Buck, Rachel Berry.
               Preceded in death: 3 children Enoch Bates, Lizzie Hoskins, Howard Bates.

Minnie Baker Bates
               Thornton Union Association, 1988
               Born 17 Aug 1908
               Died 12 Apr 1988
               d/o Sherman and Minerva Sergent Baker
               Married: 25 Mar 1930 to Luther Bates
Survivors: Alpha Fields, Barbara Duncil of Naples FL. Lucille Polly, Joyce Brooks of Whitesburg, KY.
               Preceded in death by husband Luther, daughter Helen Cook.
               Church affiliation: Thornton Regular Baptist Church.

Noble Bates
               Thornton Union Association, 1992
               s/o Ireland Bates & Cordia Hall Bates
               b. Knott Co KY, 12 Aug 1919
               d. Wed 11 Mar 1992, Hazard Appalachian Regional Medical Center
               Member of Thornton Church of Mayking, KY
               Member of United Mine Workers of America Local No. 1468
               Married to Pauline King Bates on 12 Oct 1957
               Survivors:            wife Pauline Bates of Whitesburg, KY
3 sons: Bill Bates of Mayking, KY; N. H. Bates & Noble Darrell Bates of Whitesburg, KY
3 daughters: Vicki Lowe of Norton, VA; Kathy Lynn Mullins & Euna “Wissy” Bates of Whitesburg, KY
5 grandchildren; 4 step-grandchildren; 1 step-great-grandchild.
               Preceded in death by 1 daughter, 4 sisters, 5 brothers.

Robert Nelson Bates
               Thornton Union Association, 1960
               s/o Samuel J. and Pollie Webb Bates
               Born 21 Jan 1918
               Died 3 Apr 1960
               Served: WW II in Canal Zone.
               Note: at age 28, married Lavinna Stewart.          
               Children: 6.  Carol Sue, Donna Daye, Phyllis Ann, Bobby Lynn, Gary Dean, Marsha Yvonne.
Church affiliation: March 6 (year was not noted on my notes), he and wife joined church and were baptized.
Survivors: wife. 6 Children. Mother and step-father Brack and Pollie Bates Whitaker. 3 brothers: Lucian of Westport IN, Raleigh of Hope IN, Watson of Otis Air Force Base in Massachusetts. 5 sisters: Mildred of Dunnuville KY, Virginia of Melvin KY, Kathryn of Buckingham KY, Sybil of Gary IN, Glenna of Beckley W VA.

Cain Hall
               New Salem Association, 1934
               s/o James and Nancy Hall
               Born 09 Nov 1858
               Died 17 Mar 1934
Married 1st: Susan Johnson about 1880. d/o Lish Johnson.  Children: 2.  1 died prior to Cain’s death. 1 “Thomas” living at time of Cain’s death.
Married 2nd: Mary Jane Johnson about 1890. d/o Caleb Johnson. Children: 7. 2 died prior to Cain’s death. 6 living at time of Cain’s death.
Survivors: 2 brothers, 2 sisters.
Church affiliation: Member of Joppa Church, joined in 1887.
Note: Moved from Jacks Creek, Floyd Co KY with son Buddy Hall to Pike Co, Myra KY.
Burial: Myra, Pike Co KY.

Clerenda Hall
               New Salem Association, 1983
               Born 18 May 1904, Kite KY
               d/o C. B. Bates and Eliza Thornsberry Bates
               Died 10 Dec 1982
               Married: Charlie Hall.
               Children: 10.
               Preceded in death: Charlies Hall. 1 daughter Judy Carol Owens.
Survived: 4 son: C. B. Hall of Pippa Passes KY, Gordon Hall of Marion IN, Tommy Hall, Adrian Hall of Pippa Passes KY.  5 daughters: Gertrude Smith of Pippa Passes KY, Dixie Owens of Dayton OH, Eliza Sparkman of Pippa Passes KY, Virginia Allen of Trenton OH, Peggy Hall of Columbus IN.  5 brothers: Cutis Bates of Charlestown IN, Roscoe Bates of Kite KY, Isadore Bates of Waverly OH, Ellis Bates of Kite KY, Everett Bates of Dayton OH. 2 sisters: Olga Slone of Kite KY, Sadie King of Mt. Sterling KY. 14 Grandchildren, 4 great-grandchildren.

Granville Hall
               New Salem Association, 1981
               Born 28 May 19__ (notes not clear; think 1900)
               Died 31 Jul 19__ (notes not clear; think 1980)
               s/o Sarah Eveline Hall; grandson of Harrison Hall.
               Children: 10 children, 6 step-children.
               Preceded in death: 2 children.

Joe Hall
               Born 5 Jan 1888
               Died 27 Jun 1984
               s/o Jeff and Clearenda Hall
Married 1st to Martha Hall on 18 May 1907; preceded him in death. Together had 12 children, 7 sons, 5 daughters.
               Married 2nd to Sarah Coburn; preceded him in death.
               Married 3rd to Carrie Grimes.
Survivors: Carrie Grimes.  4 sons: Corbet, Noah, Willie, Joe Jr. 4 daughters: Carrie Hall, Eliza Redford, Arizona Debvore, Olive Cox.  48 grandchildren.
               Preceded in death: 1 daughter Maybelle. 3 sons Ira, Irvin, Leonard.

Jonah Hall
               New Salem Association, 1985
               Born 26 Feb 1902
               Died 24 Jan 1985
               Married: Anna Slone Hall on Feb 1926
               s/o Has Hall and Betty Johnson Hall
               Children: 15. 2 daughters preceded in death: infant Elva Lee and Hestelent Rowe.
Survivors: 9 daughters: Fern Fouts of Kite KY, Hasalene Hall of Kite KY, Joyce Amburgey of Amburgey KY, Joetta Johnson, Faye Thornsberry, Hassie Thornsberry, Stella Thornsberry, Wilma Atwood of Michigan.  4 sons: Buddy Hall, Troy Hall, Jonah Hall Jr of Kite, KY, Bill Hall of Michigan.  1 brother: Benny Hall of Greenup KY.  3 half-brothers: Delmar, Dempsy, Charlie of Ohio.  29 grandchildren.  29 great-grandchildren.
Preceded in death: 2 half-sisters preceded in death –Ella Blair and Myrtle Moore.

Martha Hall
               Indian Bottom Association, 1984
               Born 2 Aug 1889
               Died 19 Jun 1950
               d/o Elder Noah and Maggie Reynolds
               Married Joe Hall on 18 May 1907
               Children: 12, 7 sons, 5 daughters.
               Preceded in death: 3 sons –Irvin, Ira, Leonard.
Survivors: Joe. 4 sons: Corbett, Noah, Willie, Joe Jr.  5 daughters: Carrie, Liza, Arizona, Maybelle, Olive.
               Church affiliation: Joined 4th Saturday in June 1938, Old Carr Regular Baptist Church.

Sada Hall
               New Salem Association, 1986  
               Born 9 Aug 1915 in Deane, KY
               d/o Jason “Ped” Hall and Gracia Meade Hall
               Married: 18 Oct 1936 to Estil Hall, the s/o Alex Hall & Sallie Bates Hall.
Children: 6; Nora Everidge of Whiteburg, KY; Charles Hall, James Hall, Glenda Holbrook of Kite, KY; Darrell Hall of Mallie, KY; Neva Francis of Garrett, KY.
Survivors: 10+ grandchildren; 1 grandchild preceded in death; 3 sisters, 1 brother.
Church affiliation: Joined Rebecca Old Regular Baptist Church on Sunday, 10 Sep 1978.

Lettie Jane Johnson
               Union Association, 1937
               Born 17 Mar 1877
               Died 12 Apr 1937
               Married: William Johnson in 1896.
               Children: 4 sons and 1 daughter.
               Preceded in death: 2 sons.        
               Church affiliation: age 42, member of Thornton Church.

Lily Fair Bates Perry
               New Salem Association, 1984
               Born 13 Mar 1874
               Death 16 Aug 1968
               d/o Urah and Luanna Hall Bates
               Married: Henry Perry
               Children: 11, 5 deceased, 6 living.
               Reared: 2 stepsons, 1 stepdaughter.
               Church affiliation: Joined Rebecca Church on Oct 1934.
               Survivors: 71 grandchildren; many great-grandchildren; 1 half-sister; 2 half-brothers.
               Survivors: Green, Mary, Mattie, Lizzie, Dussy, Sylivia.

W. H. Vanover
               Indian Bottom Association, 1937
               Died 19 Jan 1937
               s/o Andrew & Peggy Vanover
               Born 04 Nov 1866
               Married 1st: Harriette  Poindexter in 1887; children: 8.
               Preceded in death: wife and 6 children.
               Married 2nd: Sarah Howell in 1901; children: 11. 3 died in infancy.
               Survived: wife Sarah Vanover and 10 children (2 from first marriage, 8 from second marriage).
               Church affiliation: Joined 25 Sep 1910.

Diamond Waddles
               New Salem Association, 1984
               B. 01 Jul 1902
               d. 25 May 1984 at St. Joseph Hospital, Lexington KY
s/o Squint & Frankie Jane Hall Waddles
Survivors: wife Millie Hall Waddles; 2 girls he reared: Doris Waddles of Kite, KY and Juanitia King of Kite, KY.
               Preceded in death: 3 sisters: Clara Johnson, Nancy Caudill, Lula Hall.

Pollie Bates Whitaker
               Thornton Union Association, 1967
               Born 7 Jun 1897
               Died: 6 AM, 26 Sep 1966 at Appalachian Regional Hospital, Whitesburg, KY
               d/o Nelson R. & Frances Katherine Spangler
               Married: Sam Bates on 9 Feb 1914
Children: 12. Mildred Caudill of Dunnville, KY; Lucian Bates of Westport, IN; Raleigh Bates of Hope, IN; Virginia Bates of Melvin, KY; Katherine Johnson of Buckingham KY; Sybil Johnson of Valparaiso IN; AFC Herbert W. Bates of US Air Force Base in Orlando FL.
               Preceded in death: 1 son Robert; 3 daughters.
Survivors: 34 grandchildren; brothers & sisters: Glenna Barrett of Columbia KY, Lindsay Webb of Mayking KY; Birdie Craft, Sabina Williams, Watson Webb, Elsie Blair, Herbert Webb.
               Married Jan 1949 to Brack Whitaker, who survives.

Knott County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bates & Hall families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011.

Knott County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bates & Hall families
August 1992 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as Joseph and Mary A. Bates are parents to Andrew who’s father of Molene –my mother.

This ties to my Hall families as Nellie with husband/relationship with Dick Hall are parents of Sam hall father of Pemmie Hall mother of Zettie Bates  mother of Molene –my mother.

For added twist, of course no surprise, Nellie was married to William “Bill” as seen here and had children who are kin via the Bates side of my family; Nellie ties back to the Bates family via Hall ancestors in common.

No matter what tree branch I follow on my maternal side –I’m related to William and Nellie as noted on this census.


1900 Knott County Kentucky Census
               373. Bates, William  b Nov 1840  age 59 farmer
                              Nellie b Feb 1835 age 65 children 9; 7 living

1910 Knott County Kentucky Census
               112. Bates, William J.  age 70 married 42 years
                              Nellie age 75 3rd marriage, children 9; 6 living

               138. Bates, Joseph age 35 married 15 years farmer
                              Mary A. age 35 children 8; 8 living
                              Uriah age 12
                              Andrew age 10
                              Clarence age 9
                              Ernest age 7
                              Flora age 5
                              Mary A. age 3
                              Landis age 2
                              Tilden age 6/12

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Updated note 01 FEB 2014.

     This is a picture I took of a picture my (Great) Aunt Rosie had been given of her parents -also the parents of my maternal great-grandparents.  I don't recall where she thought the original would have been,  but this would have been on a visit to her my mom & Granny Tudy Bates in the late 80s to the mid 90s.  Photo of Margaret Alice "Mary Alice" "Babe" (Vanover) and Joseph "Joe" Bates.

     In 1910, my maternal grandfather Andy Bates was 10 years old.  That's the age one of my sons is turning soon.  My, the world is certainly a different place than it was back then.  This is a picture of my maternal grandfather -Andrew J. "Andy" Bates on his front porch.  Wife of Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates; son of Joe and Mary Alice (Vanover) Bates; father of Molene (Bates) Halcomb my mother.
   
     In the bottom left corner, I see the old clipboard.  This would have been taken before I would have started writing family story notes.  I wonder what list was being made on that board.  He is dressed in his Sunday clothes, he as a Preacher with the Old Regular Baptist.  Or, it could have been a picture taken before or after a funeral.
   

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb and Susanna “Susan” Stamper families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 11:32am.

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb and Susanna “Susan” Stamper families
May 1994 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my paternal Halcomb family line as Jesse Holcomb/Halcomb married Susanna “Susan” Stamper.
They had son Douglas Irvin Halcomb who married Mary Emmer Holcomb.
Irv & Mary had son Allen Lester Halcomb, my father.

1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               87. Stamper, Ison age 52 b VA
                              Sarah age 52 b VA
                              John age 26 b KY
                              Sarah age 24 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 22 b KY
                              Sintha age 20 b KY
                              Elaxander age 18 b KY
                              Susanah age 16 b KY
                              Lemuel age 14 b KY
                              Wiley age 12 b KY
                              Mary age 10 b KY
                              James age 7 b KY

               396. Halcum, Henderson age 38 b KY
                              Matilda age 27 b KY
                              Mary age 13 b KY
                              Susanah age 11 b KY
                              Martha age 8 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 5 b KY
                              Solomon age 3 b KY
                              Joseph age 9/12 b KY

               410. Halcum, Samuel age 30 b KY
                              Louisa age 30 b KY
                              Sarah age 6 b KY
                              Joseph age 3 b KY
                              William age 6/12 b KY

               411. Cornitt, William age 22 b KY
                              Sarah age 19 b KY

1870 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               49. Hawcom, Jesse age 26 b KY farmer
                              Susan age 26 b KY keeping house
                              John age 3 b KY
                              Arminda age 10/12 b KY

1890 Letcher County Kentucky Special Census

               William D. Cornett  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf 1863-1864

               Jesse Halcomb  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf July 1863-26 Dec 1864
               Joseph Halcomb  Private Co H, 47th KY Inf Aug 1863-Mar 1864

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams families

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 11:09am.

Letcher County Kentucky Census Record notes: Uriah Bates & Letticia “Letty” Adams families
August 1992 search notes per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as Uriah Bates married Letticia “Letty” Adams who I believe born 1829 Carr Creek, Letcher Co KY from notes and d/o Benjamin Adams and Nancy Holbrook who were from Wilkes Co NC and settled in KY area.
Uriah & Letty had son Washington Uriah Bates that married Mary Higgins born 10 Apr 1862 and died 09 Aug 1888 had 4 children with Washington Uriah Bates.
Washington Uriah also was involved with Luanna "Pink" Hall and had 6 kids with her.... Pink was involved with, I think married to, Rhodes W. Meade and had I think 5 kids. It's more than complicated for sure.
Hoping to work out some of the mystery of these three families linked together.
Washington Uriah and Pink are Joe Bates’ parents.
Joe is the father of Andy Bates, his daughter is my mother, Molene.

1850 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               128. Adams, Benjamin age 56 b NC
                              Nancy (Holbrook) age 51 b KY
                              Benjamin age 22 b KY
                              Simpson age 19 b KY
                              Randolph age 16 b KY
                              Nancy age 14 b KY
                              Henrietta age 10 b KY

               129. Adams, Jesse age 29 b KYe
                              Margaret (Jenkins) age 24 b KY
                              Elizabeth age 5 b KY
                              Benjamin age 3 b KY
                              Nancy E. age 5/12 b KY

               130. Adams, John Ison age 32 b KY
                              Sarah (Craft) age 29 b KY
                              Benjamin age 10 b KY
                              James age 8 b KY
                              Nancy age 5 b KY
                              Jesse age 3 b KY

               159. Bates, Sarah (Cornett) age 47 b NC
                              Robin age 25 b KY
                              Sarah Ann age 20 b KY
                              Henderson age 18 b KY
                              Mary Jane age 14 b KY
                              Martin V. B. age 12 b KY

               160. Bates, Uriah age 22 b KY
                              Letta (Adams) age 21 b KY

1860 Letcher County Kentucky Census
               502. Bates, Uriah age 32 b KY
                              Letty age 31 b KY
                              Mary age 7 b KY
                              Babe age 2/12 b KY

Floyd County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bill D Hall family search

Original Facebook posting: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 10:51pm.

Floyd County Kentucky Census Record notes: Bill D Hall family search

August 1994 search per Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

This ties to my Bates family line as William is “Bill D/Dee Hall” where Bates & Johnson family lines lived and are buried in Knott Co KY.
Some might recognize Bill & Ansy/Ansa’s daughter “Pink” (Luanna, Anna) who was Joe Bates’ mother.
Joe is the father of Andy Bates, his daughter is my mother, Molene.

1850 Floyd Co KY Census
               280. Isaacs, William  age 54  b NC
Sarah  age 60  b VA
                 Hays, William age 27  b KY
  Hall, Ansey  age 27  b KY
Harrison  age 4  b KY
Sarah  age 2  b KY

(Not sure why I don’t have notes on 1860; might have not taken or records destroyed or I just didn’t find it to look through it.)

1870 Floyd Co KY Census
               61. Hall, William D.  age 49  b KY
                              Anza  age 49  b KY
                              Anna  age 19  b KY
                              Henry  age 17  b KY
                              Andrew  age 12  b KY
                              Elenor  age 7  b KY
                              Margaret  age 5  b KY
                 Isaacs, William  age 77  b NC
                              Sarah  age 87  b VA

1880 Floyd Co KY Census
               (entry number not legible)
               Hall, William D.  age 55  b KY  Dad born NC, Mom born VA, married
                              Luanzy age 52  b KY  Dad born NC, Mom born VA, married
               Bates, James  age 25  b KY  Dad born VA, Mom born KY, married
                              Eleanor  age 23  b KY  Dad born KY, Mom born KY, married
                              Elizabeth age 4  b KY
                              Louanzy M.  age 9/12  b KY

Greenup County Kentucky Marriages 1804-1838

Original Facebook post: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 10:17pm.

Greenup County Kentucky Marriages 1804-1838
Published by: JoAnn Colbert Cioe doing business as The Researchers, Indianapolis, IN
A booklet 5x7 size I bought at a genealogy conference years ago.
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Here’s a few: Brown, Higgins, Johnson, Murphy, Nunnelley, Swearingin, Thornsbury

Listed for grooms with names from my family lines I recalled off hand.

Brown, C. C. and Rebecca Brewbaker  9 Dec 1832
Brown, William and Mary Warnock  23 Dec 1829

Higgins, Daniel and Sophia Raison  25 Apr 1833

Johnson, Andrew and Patsy Yeley  28 Jul 1828
Johnson, Levi and Almia Middaugh  1 Sep 1823

Murphy, John and Elrinia Owens  9 Apr 1833

Nunnelley, Daniel and America Skaggs  23 Feb 1836
Nunnelley, David and Ruth Miller  8 Feb 1836

Swearingin, John and Polly Williams  1 Jan 1838

Thornsbury, Martin and Nancy Gipson  4 Jan 1836

Harlan County Kentucky Marriages 1794-1870

Original Facebook post: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 10:04pm.

Harlan County Kentucky Marriages 1794-1870
Published by: JoAnn Colbert Cioe doing business as The Researchers, Indianapolis, IN
A booklet 5x7 size I bought at a genealogy conference years ago.
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Here’s a few:

Listed for grooms names: Cornett, Hall, Johnson, Short

Archibald Cornett and Elizabeth Creech  6 Jan 1851
Charles T. Cornett and Polly Creech  10 Jul 1850
John Cornett and Eliz. Hollbrook  30 Dec 1841
William Cornett and Nancy Lewis  7 Jan 1830
William Cornett and Sally Eversole  24 Dec 1868
Martha Cornett and Jane Crider  17 Dec 1870
Samuel Cornett and Rachael Jenkins  20 Dec 1861

Alfred Hall and Eliz. Lewis  19 Apr 1866
Alfred Hall and Polly Taylor  11 Mar 1827
Ezekiel Hall and Clem Branson  7 Mar 1833
Francis Hall and Esther Osborne  1 Jan 1858
Francis Hall and Esther Cawood  11 Mar 1858
Franklin Hall and Marion Saylor  14 Mar 1869
Franklin Hall and Betsy Anderson  17 Dec 1834
Hezekiah Hall and Sally Smith  27 Apr 1832
James Hall and Sally Pace  20 Mar 1818
James Hall, Jr. and Polly Hall  21 Dec 1856
LD Hall and Susan Wynn  10 Apr 1870
Melvin Hall and Susannah Short  2 Jan 1862
Nath Hall and Louisa Noe  22 Mar 1863
Preston Hall and Rebecca Magg  19 Feb 1836
William Hall and Sarah Ward  15 Oct 1859

Andrew Johnson and Nancy Burns  24 May 1844
David Johnson and Dicy Brock  19 Dec 1835
Ephraim Johnson and Frances Howard  2 Mar 1852
James Johnson and Dolly Parker  2 Jun 1842
James Johnson and Nancy Brock  4 Jun 1867
Rice M. Johnson and Phebe Howard  24 Aug 1833
Samuel Johnson and Sarah Burns  6 Mar 1859

James Short and Elizabeth Bingham  3 Mar 1865
James Short and Rebecca Bailey  10 Sep 1829
John Short and Ann Witt  19 Apr 1866
Jonathan Short and Nancy Hall  10 Jul 1856
John Short II and Lucinda Reece  25 Feb 1861

Carter County Kentucky Marriages 1838-1850

Original Facebook post: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 9:26pm.

Carter County Kentucky Marriages 1838-1850
Published by: JoAnn Colbert Cioe doing business as The Researchers, Indianapolis, IN
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This is a small booklet 5x7 size I picked up at a genealogy conference years ago.

Listed for grooms with names: Hall, Swearingen

Hall, Andrew J. –Mary Ann Jones  date not listed
Hall, Elkanah –Elizabeth Savage  19 Dec 1849
Hall, James –Matilda Fraley  6 Mar 1844
Hall, James –Susan Luck  15 Feb 1843

Swearingen, William –Elizabeth Davis  14 Sep 1848
Swearingen, William –Frances Hall  11 Feb 1845

Letcher County Kentucky Marriages 1843-1850

Original Facebook post: Saturday, February 19, 2011 at 8:46pm.

Letcher County Kentucky Marriages 1843-1850
Published by: JoAnn Colbert Cioe doing business as The Researchers, Indianapolis, IN
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Here’s a few from a little paperback booklet 5x7 size I picked up at a genealogy conference a long time ago:

Listed for grooms with names: Bates, Cornett, Hall, Johnson, Short, Vanover

Bates, Henderson –Martha Robinson  24 Nov 1850
Bates, James –Elizabeth Adams  26 Feb 1843
Bates, John D. –Sarah Doldrige  12 May 1845
Bates, Uriah –Letty Adams  14 Oct 1849
     (Uriah & Letty are my ancestors)

Cornett, Stephen –Polly Polly  3 Dec 1848

Hall, Alexander –Rebecca Stergell  28 Dec 1848
Hall, Allen –Hanah Yonts  20 Apr 1847
Hall, Isom –Peggy Maggard  5 Dec 1847
Hall, James –Polly Cordell  5 Dec 1849
Hall, John –Peggy Skeen  20 Nov 1850
Hall, Reuben –Nancy Hall  24 Mar 1846
Hall, William –Mary Slone  4 Jun 1844

Johnson, John –Christene Reffit  8 Sep 1850
Johnson, William –Nancy Ashley  15 Jan 1848

Short, Alexander –Caroline Brooks  4 Oct 1845
Short, Alfred –Elizabeth Davis  21 Nov 1846
Short, David –Polly Cantrell  26 Aug 1849

Vanover, Eli –Olla Mullins  2 Mar 1848

Delivering the baby, and a few other tidbits about children of K & Pemmie Johnson

Original Facebook post: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 9:46pm.
by Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short

Midwife

My Granny Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates recalled in the early 1990s that it was that delivered a number of folks she grew up with and helped to deliver herself.

Here are a few notes I found on who was credited as the midwife or doctor on site when her siblings were born, the children of Caleb “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson.

William “Wedd” Johnson was born 7 Jan 1902 at Millstone, Letcher Co KY and delivered by Liza Lucas.

Estill “Son” Johnson was born 17 Apr 1907 in Knott Co KY and delivered by Sal Perry. (She also said he was a sleepwalker.)

Lettie Johnson was born 11 Dec 1909 in Knott Co KY and delivered by Sal Perry.

Rosanna “Rosannie” Johnson was born 4 Nov 1913 in Knott Co KY and delivered by Sal Perry.
She also said Rosannie & Jack were married 12 May 1940 in Knott Co KY by Tom Caudill at Rosannie’s parents home.
She also said that in 1949, Rosannie was confined to a hospital in London KY for 6 months due to TB.
She also said that Doc Collier with help of Zettie delivered Rosannie’s twins, and Doc Kelly delivered baby Inez.

George Johnson was born 26 Feb 1917 in Knott Co KY and Mandy Caudill delivered him.

Calvin Johnson was born 5 May 1924 in Knott Co KY and French Caudill delivered him.

Vanover marriage records

Original Facebook post:  Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 9:07pm.

Vanover marriage records

William Vanover to Elizabeth Lucas
8 Oct 1854
Source: Letcher Co KY Marriage Book 1
Search: Letcher Co KY Courthouse records in May 1994; Whitesburg, Letcher Co KY
By: Thursa (Halcomb-Nunley) Short
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Andrew Vanover as principal
William Lucas as surety
Bond of $100.00
Marriage of Andrew Vanover and Mary Page
Dated: 30 Jan 1888
Attest: Andrew Vanover and William Lucas
Solemnized: 6 Feb 1888, marriage of Andrew Vanover to Mary Page at EW Bakers in County of Letcher in presence of EW Baker and LE Baker.
Signed: EW Baker
Source: Letcher Co KY Marriage Book 8
Search: Letcher Co KY Courthouse records in May 1994; Whitesburg, Letcher Co KY

Caleb B. “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson family notes

Original Facebook post: Sunday, February 13, 2011 at 11:28pm.

Caleb B. “K” and Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson family notes

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson & husband Caleb B. "K" Johnson.
Note her converse sneakers -her usual style.
He had very, very poor eyesight always -if any of you knew of the reason,
please share as there are several descdants on this line that also have similar problem in varying degrees.

Caleb B. "K" Johnson
I do not know what "B" stands for -if you do PLEASE share.
Born 1 Mar 1872, Weeksbury, Floyd Co KY.
Died 26 Mar 1966, Kite, Knott Co KY. He always had very poor eyesight but never a diagnosis known (if you know of ...tales, PLEASE share them).
My Granny, Zettie Bates, his daughter, said he was a farmer & sold produce in the areas he lived. That I am aware he was not a coal miner.
He was raised in the Weeksbury KY area.
He's the son of Caleb Johnson & Mahala "Halley" (Justice/Jestice) Johnson. His father had a second marriage to Polly Whitacre & Zettie Bates had many tales & memories of Granny Polly.

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson
Born 05 Sep 1882 in Kite, Knott County, KY.
She died 23 Mar 1972, Knott County, KY. Her cause of death as best her daughter, Zettie (Johnson) Bates knew was ovarian cancer or a type of female cancer; it was never something you talked about -"female troubles". (If you have more details, PLEASE share.)
She attended the Mallie Church of the Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptist.
She's the daughter of Samuel "Sam" Hall & Malinda "Lynn" "Linda" Johnson.

My maternal great-grandmother, Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson.
It's on the porch of her house at the head of Bill D Holler near Kite, Knott Co KY.
Just across the way is the cemetery where she & family are buried.

Marriage of K & Pemmie
"K" and "Pemmie" married 18 Feb 1901 in Whitesburg, Letcher County, KY.
Their children included:
George "Noodlehead" Johnson (married Lizy Thornsberry)
Kanawha "Bush" Johnson (married Mindy Thornsberry)
Calvin "Snowball" Johnson (married Fronnie Johnson) -Calvin is still living
Estill "Son" Johnson (married Zella Bates)
Zettie Walker (yes, her middle name her father blessed her with was Walker) "Tudy" Johnson (married Andrew J. "Andy" Bates) -my maternal grandmother
William M. "Wid/Wedd" Johnson (married Lula "Luly" Hall)
Lettie Johnson (married Farris Bates)
Hattie Johnson (died 3 days old of "black arseptic" a blood disease that wasn't uncommon then; she was buried at 4 days old in cemetery where her parents are also buried)
Rosanna "Thomas" "Rosannie" Johnson (married Johna "Jack" Thornsberry).

Burial of K & Pemmie
"K" & "Pemmie" are buried at the far end, head of the holler on Bill D Branch at Kite, Knott County, KY.  To eventually find it, you turn up the holler, past the old schoolhouse and just keep on a driving. It's now a gravel road due to coal mining heavy in there now. Even when I was a young kid, we'd have to drive a vehicle down the creek part of the way up the holler.  You only went when knew creek was low. Now a vehicle can pull up around to a fenced area of the cemetery at what was the side of the cemetery. Used to you'd park where the road ends, where the houses stood, and cross over the creek via a tree felled or maybe a rough lumber bridge that would be dangerous & wobbly. There's a long line of their kids buried up there and it's filled in to a good sized cemetery now.
If you pass there when it's blooming with daisies smile and smell them but leave them for others to enjoy. Always made Granny's day when we'd see flowers in bloom around there -something alive up there.

This picture is as it was, blurred -it's not a bad scan.
Mom believes it is Grandma Pemmie (Angeline "Pemmie" Hall Johnson) and her sister "Aunt Caroline" (Caroline Hall and she'd married Bud Hall) as Mom used to go visit Aunt Caroline & Grandma Johnson. But then were not certain since Mom's legally blind not as easy one to make out for her.
Dad was asked and generally he knew the pics but on this one he was not certain.
If you have better clues, please share ideas.
This would have been taken early 1960s; one from Mom's picture files.

Thornsberry family connections of the spouses of children of K & Pemmie
Lizy & Jack are children of Marshall & Rosannie (Hall) Thornsberry.
Marshall is the son of Miles & Clarinda Thornsberry.

Bates family connections of the spouses of children of K & Pemmie
Farris and Zella are siblings, and a cousin is Andy
 Farris Bates and Zella (Bates) Johnson are the children of Tilden Tildon "Tinny" Bates & Martha M. "Sissy" (Hall) Bates.  Tinny the son of Washington Uriah Bates & Luanna "Pink" Hall.
Uriah & Pink had another son Joseph "Joe" Bates who married Margaret Alice "Mary Alice" "Babe" Vanover and they had a son Andrew J. "Andy" Bates who married Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates.

Four Generations of Bates as well as four generations of Johnsons.
Back row, left to right: Carnelous "Cack" Bates, son of Zettie (Johnson) Bates.
Zettie Walker "Tudy" (Johnson) Bates, daughter of Pemmie Johnson,
and daughter-in-law of Mary Alice Bates.
Bottom row, left to right: Margaret Alice "Mary Alice" "Babe" (Vanover) Bates;
Brenda (Bates) Allen, daughter of Cack Bates; Angeline "Pemmie" Hall.

Obit of my maternal great-grandfather Caleb B. Johnson

Originally posted: Sunday, February 6, 2011 at 10:05pm on Facebook.

My maternal Granny Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates had a little stack of obituary cards she’d gotten from attending many funerals over her many years of Earthly life.
In Jan 1993, I made notation of the printing of the one from her father:

Caleb B. Johnson
               Born March 1, 1872    
               Died March 27, 1966
               Services: At the home, 10 AM, Wednesday, March 30, 1966.
               Clergymen: Ministers of Old Regular Baptist Church
               Final Resting Place: Family Cemetery, Kite, KY
               Arrangements: Hall Brothers Funeral Home

This is the large picture that hung in the living room at Great Aunt Rosannie's house.
I always could stare at it for ages. Huge pic & so awesome that I was
able to see my grandparents Granny & Aunt Rosannie would tell me about. 
Caleb "K" Johnson (son of Caleb & Mahala Jestice Johnson;
their son William "Wedd" Johnson;
Angeline "Pemmie" Hall Johnson
(daughter of Sam & Lynn Johnson Hall.
My Granny Bates parents. 
"A picture of a picture I took of a picture."
I don't have a scanner hooked up to my new laptop
and my old laptop is in sad condition. I hope to scan
and get these looking a lot better to share,
but just had to post them since I ran across them.

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson & husband Caleb B. "K" Johnson. 
Note her converse sneakers -her usual style.
He had very, very poor eyesight always -if any of you knew of the reason,
please share as there are several descendants on this line
that also have similar problem in varying degrees.

Angeline "Pemmie" (Hall) Johnson & husband Caleb B. "K" Johnson. 
Pemmie is the daughter of Samuel "Sam" & Malinda "Lynn" "Linda" (Johnson) Hall .
K is the son of Caleb & Mahala "Halley" (Justice/Jestice) Johnson.

     Extra notes from me:

     It was common in that day to have the funeral at the home. And a man of the family would sit up all night watching over the person who had passed away. There is much lore behind this, and one that young kids like to learn about for school projects. I remember a few such as this, of course this was a couple years before I was born. If there was a person of my Mom’s family who died in KY –you knew first place to always figure going was Hall Bros in Hindman, Knott Co or Letcher Funeral Home in Whitesburg, Letcher Co KY.

     I had folks help clarify some of the original notes based on Facebook comments:  Hall Bros located at Martin,KY.  Hindman Funeral Services,Inc. and Nelson Frazier Funeral Home are the current Funeral Homes in Hindman,KY.  At one time Hindman,KY.also had a Casebolt,Hoskins & Cox Funeral Home and Knott Funeral Home.  Another noted that Hall Bros is in Martin in FLOYD Co., Kentucky.

     Noticing her necklace reminds me of Granny Zettie Bates jewelry (her daughter). She had a few pins/brooches that Uncle Herman, her son Herman Bates, would give her as Christmas gifts. She liked black glass bead necklaces. I have several old one's I've found around, taken to a jeweler to be knotted as pearls and always keep her close with the memory. No, she didn't wear any jewelry after she was a young adult and joined a church that didn't permit jewelry.  She did wear her wedding band and a watch in later years -I seldom recall her with a brooch on. Her ears were pierced, though. More on that later...

Notes from Knott Co KY Census Record 1910

Facebook posting 06 February 2011

Knott Co KY Census Record 1910

In August 1992, I reviewed records of this census with my maternal Granny Zettie Walker “Tudy” (Johnson) Bates.  First I will note the two entries, then I’ll make some “clarification” notes to assure that some family history buffs who are distant family know who’s really who on here.

124. Johnson, Caleb        age 37   married 9 years                 farmer

               Anazaline            age ?     4 children

               William M.         age 8

               Bettie                  age 5

               Estil                    age 2

               Letta                  age 5/12

142. Hall, Samuel          age 50   married 32 years               farmer

               Sinda                 age 57

               Martin               age 21

               Nevada             age 16

               Talt                   age 15

               Allice               age 13

               Maddie           age 9

               Mary E.          age 7

               Calvin             age 3

For 124 entry, the second entry Anazaline is Angeline “Pemmie” (Hall) Johnson. Her parents are entry 142. The census taker misspelled her name.

For 124 entry, Bettie is my maternal grandmother -Zettie, and Letta is her sister -Lettie.  The census taker misspelled their names.

For 142 entry, Sinda is Malinda “Lynn”.  The census taker misspelled her name. 

     There was no malice or ignorance of the census taker. The person would make a record based on whoever gave the information, and enunciation, and also the person hired to do the job writing education. 

     I always thought that Lynn sure was a fertile woman as she was in her 50s still having babies to raise. She also was a midwife who delivered many babies in those hollers.

     I note now that Zettie was 5 years old, same age as my youngest son. When she was that age, she already was doing so many chores that you’d never dream of having even a teenager do; but it was common work for all young kids back then –especially the oldest kids living at home. She could cook, do laundry (when there were no machines to do it), garden (not play, but work the crops), and by that age every child was a babysitter to the toddlers when a new baby was to be looked after.